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- Waru_the_Magnificent - 03-10-2003
Basic fonts like Geneva, Garamond #3, Helvetica (I don't recomend it becuase this one is TOO plain), and Futura, are all fonts to recomend...
But the ONE Font that will NEVER let you down... Times New Roman.
As Red had said, a lemon with plot is very nice, unlike your basic PWP, and barely-formed sex scenes (DV85 was notorius for this), which are AWFUL and ruin ANY lemon.
As for Length, any basic story should be 5 pages long minimum. Anything over 10 pages, I PERSONALLY FEEL LENGTH-WISE, should have some sort of plot.
Original Characters, they have to fit in like a chameleon in the rainforest foliage (like how Red used FlameGatomon in his Legacy Of the Vampire Saga, to name a few other originals), or else they'll look like they're the OVER-EXAGGERATED center of attantion... and nobody wants that.
Plots... must be understandable, and NEVER confusing (unless you attempt to do a AU lemon, which doesn't always apply.); anything ridiculous should be avoided unless you KNOW how to make it seem more organic to the story.
- Ruhe - 03-10-2003
Should I use idioms or methphor (What is methphor anyway?)?
- HazanZ - 03-10-2003
Quote:Renamon fucks Galleon from Dark Stalkers? Hot orginal and excting.
^__^ Thanks Red. Oh, and it's Gallon >_<
Quote:3) Don't listen to flames.Indeed.
- Lord Archive - 03-11-2003
Guess I should add my two cents in on this as well:
1) Exposure.
As great as DaD may be, we're still a small community. If you want people to find your ficts, post them anywhere you can. I have works posted on MediaMiner, DaD, DHZ, ehentai, my own web page, fanfiction.net (damn bastards), and a few other places. Though Red is right about making sure your email address is easily available when you do this, otherwise you won't know anyone is reading your ficts.
2) Be different.
I'm not saying don't write the overused pairings, especially as I tend to prefer them. What I'm saying is that make something of your fict that hasn't been done before. Sure, that's harder with couplings like Takari, but it can be done. Besides Red Digivice Diaries and HDTH?!, how many ficts with married, pregnant, teenage Hikari who is NOT living happily ever after with Takeru are there?
It's easier to have something different with couples that aren't used. I don't think I've ever seen a consentual Mimi/Numemon orgy fict yet.
3) Diversify your stories.
Readers have different tastes. Some prefer the cliche pairings, while others want unusual couples, crossbreeding, yaoi, yuri, sexual fetishes, incest, or whatever. If the reader sees a fict using a couple they don't like, they won't read it. However, if you use a variety of couples, then the reader will find a fict featuring a couple they want to see and read that.
4) Don't shatter the fourth wall. Keep it 'real.'
Unless you're going for pure whimsical comedy, any serious plot should retain a sense of realism. That what happens could happen. Sora would not wake up and decide to jump into the Digital World naked and fuck anything that crosses her path. Juri might seduce Leomon if he ever returned, but how the fuck did he come back from the dead?
Things don't just happen. Keep in mind that cause and effect applies to their world as much as it does ours.
Again, if you're intent is make people laugh and the story is about as serious as Gomamon in a joke shop, ignore this.
5) _Characterization_
This is something that can NOT be stressed enough. As this is a printed medium, you have to make them recognizable by there actions. Where you can remove all name references in a scene and most readers would still be able to figure out who is who.
6) Porn without Plot verses Story with Porn
There are two different types of hentai ficts.
The most common are the simple PWP, 'plot, what plot?' which features two characters jumping into sex with little or no reason. These work well with cliched couples as many fans of them already carry a belief the couple already exists and don't care for there to be a set up. These can work with unusual pairings as well, but those are harder as believability gets stretched farther. Daisuke seducing Hikari in a page of text and we'll ignore the OOC nature that he actually succeeds without putting his foot in his mouth first, while Daisuke seeing a cute Floramon and seduces her needs a bit more before must readers would accept him doing that.
The other type is rarer simply for the difficulty and work involved in it. A 5 page plotless porn can be written in a single night, but a story with a deep plot could take weeks or even months before being completed. It is here where the unusual pairing shine more as the work put into making the couple happen comes out, while the cliched pairings become more difficult in making them into something different and special.
As for how does this relate to becoming 'famous,' write both styles. A few plotless porns will help garner some base recognition as reading the fict takes but a few minutes, while a story with porn better displays your talent as a writter.
7) Readability
Gramar n spellin much need. can't read won't.
You'll want to make sure the fict can be read by a large audience. e e cummings we are not. No matter how deep or meaningful your story is, spelling, grammar, and story flow are all necessiary.
This also goes to the font issue, 'keep it simple, stupid.' Anything more than bolding or italic shouldn't be used and the font style should be a standard one. If the reader's browser doesn't support it, it won't be read.
Story flow is something that is overlooked. Is there a logical progression of the fict from point a to b to c. You don't want to jump around and go, hey look the villian is Ken in the first chapter and don't give any evidence of that until chapter 5.
Also, avoid repeating words, especially in the same paragraph, and use descirptive terms, particularly in the lemon scenes.
Takato inserted his dick in Ruki's pussy. The pussy wrapped tightly against his dick. Having his dick in her pussy felt good.
Takato guided his dick into Ruki's moist, wet pussy. He groaned as her hot cunt tighly pressed against his boyhood. Having his meat deep in her wonderful body felt, well, it was beyond what words could describe.
- MISTER BIG T - 03-11-2003
Quote:5) Don't be too original.
Several fan made characters fighting to find the eight shatter crystal tro ressrect the last digimon good to defend the world against Unicronmon? Head hurts....
That's actually not being original, it's being too confusing.
If one plot is EXTREMELY original, yet makes sense I see no point in saying it's BAD thing.
Quote:A plotless lemon most likely can consist of less than 5 pages and still be good. But a good bunch of people value plot development more than a story that consists only of a lemon scene. And to be honest, I haven't yet read a lemon less than ~4-5 pages with nice plot development AND a good lemon scene.
And thus said, I take it that you have never ever even read even one of my lemons.
- NekoDramon - 03-11-2003
MISTER BIG T Wrote:If one plot is EXTREMELY original, yet makes sense I see no point in saying it's BAD thing.Depends on the reader and on the expectations.
Personal opinion: If I have to take notes to understand the plot, it is a bad thing.
Quote:And to be honest, I haven't yet read a lemon less than ~4-5 pages with nice plot development AND a good lemon scene.And thus said, I take it that you have never ever even read even one of my lemons.[/quote]A high claim, and if a "MISTER BIG T" was listed in the DaD author section, I could actually verify it.
- Lord Archive - 03-12-2003
Knew I forgot something on my list:
8) Reader's Comments:
In general there are three types of reviews: praise, flames, and critique.
Praise is nice to receive as an ego boost when the reader goes 'Wow, that's cool! Write more!' This type of review does little for an author besides give added boost to write more. It's good for public relation purposes to send a thank you back if you can.
Flames are not nice. 'Stop writin pron rejects you @$$.' No matter how good of a writer you may be, someone will flame you and often for pointless reasons like: writing Takari instead of Daikari, having pre-pubscent children fucking, or even because you can write sentences using proper English grammar. Red suggests ignoring these, but I prefer to MST them. And receiving a flame can be almost be a badge of honor, that you've upset someone enough to insult you. Never take a flame seriously though.
Then there are the critiques. THESE ARE NOT FLAMES! There is a world of difference between 'You sick fuck, stop writing!' and 'Hikari isn't the type of girl to pull that kind of prank.' One is trying to insult you, the other is trying to HELP you. Read these over carefully and see if you can incorporate them into your fict, but remember the fict is still yours and you don't have to use their comments. Even if you do not agree with the suggestions someone sends to you about your fict, accept them gracefully as the reader took their time to write to you. This is by far the most important reviews you could receive as these can help you improve as an author. I'd rather have one of these than a hundred comments that amount to 'You're great!'
- MISTER BIG T - 03-12-2003
Actually, I'll apply as author as soon as the Tank Cops contest has ended, so I can submit them and others from my digimon lemons.
- Ruhe - 03-12-2003
Learned a lot from this topic.
- Hybrid Halogen - 03-12-2003
Yep, its soooooooo cool to have great authors on this board.