05-05-2005, 04:24 PM
This email transaction will tell you the situation:
I was informed by my advisor that ME 217 would make me shop qualified, and I really don't think it's fair to change the rules all of a sudden, especially since I only signed up for ME 217 under the premise that I would then not have to do the extra hours of shop training for no credit. I suppose it's fair to not allow me in the shop while I take the course concurrently, but after I pass it, for the second semester, I ought to be considered qualified. I also took shop class in junior high, and I worked in a hardware store for two years, though I suppose that it's not quite the same. The point is, just like with the graduation requirements, it's not fair to make these sorts of changes when there was already contrary information circulated. Just so you understand my bind, I had no desire to take metal cutting, and I only signed up to avoid having to put in this extra creditless time. I also heard that the forty hour sessions were quite unpleasant. I'm pretty sure everyone else who's taking 217 is taking it for the same reason. I think the best solution would be to improve 217 to include more safety stuff, if it really seems to be a concern, rather than pissing off every student who signed up for it. If necessary, the class time for 217 could be extended. It can be thought of as analogous to social security; this system needs to be amended, but not destroyed. Also, while I'm sure you can vouch for the shop people, I didn't hear any of the students say that they weren't trained safely enough, just that they weren't taught enough about how to use the power tools effectively.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barber, Thomas"
Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2005 8:00 pm
Subject: RE: ME272 Senior Design
> Based on students who did the same this year, the students and the
> shop people felt the students were no trained safely enough and
> this year all will have to do safety trianing, either before or
> during the fall semester.
>
> ________________________________
>
>> Sent: Wed 5/4/2005 7:41 PM
> To: Barber, Thomas
> Subject: Re: ME272 Senior Design
>
>
>
> I'm taking ME 217 next semester in order to take care of the shop
> qualifications. It still counts if I take it concurrently, right?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barber, Thomas"
> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2005 12:13 pm
> Subject: ME272 Senior Design
>
> > Class
> >
> > You have all signed up for the Fall 2005 semester of the ME senior
> > design program. A requirement for this class is to get yourself
> > shop trained and go through the shop safety course. If not, you
> > will not be allowed access to the shops in Engineering II and
> > Castelman.
> > The shop training class runs about 40 hours. We will be running
> > shop training sessions starting Friday May 13th through May
> 16th.
> > This class will be repeated during the week before classes
> start.
> > The class size at each session is limited to only 14 students at a
> > time.
> > Please email me if you can take the May session as soon as possible.
> >
> > Please email me if you can take the late August session.
> >
> > Professor Barber
I was informed by my advisor that ME 217 would make me shop qualified, and I really don't think it's fair to change the rules all of a sudden, especially since I only signed up for ME 217 under the premise that I would then not have to do the extra hours of shop training for no credit. I suppose it's fair to not allow me in the shop while I take the course concurrently, but after I pass it, for the second semester, I ought to be considered qualified. I also took shop class in junior high, and I worked in a hardware store for two years, though I suppose that it's not quite the same. The point is, just like with the graduation requirements, it's not fair to make these sorts of changes when there was already contrary information circulated. Just so you understand my bind, I had no desire to take metal cutting, and I only signed up to avoid having to put in this extra creditless time. I also heard that the forty hour sessions were quite unpleasant. I'm pretty sure everyone else who's taking 217 is taking it for the same reason. I think the best solution would be to improve 217 to include more safety stuff, if it really seems to be a concern, rather than pissing off every student who signed up for it. If necessary, the class time for 217 could be extended. It can be thought of as analogous to social security; this system needs to be amended, but not destroyed. Also, while I'm sure you can vouch for the shop people, I didn't hear any of the students say that they weren't trained safely enough, just that they weren't taught enough about how to use the power tools effectively.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barber, Thomas"
Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2005 8:00 pm
Subject: RE: ME272 Senior Design
> Based on students who did the same this year, the students and the
> shop people felt the students were no trained safely enough and
> this year all will have to do safety trianing, either before or
> during the fall semester.
>
> ________________________________
>
>> Sent: Wed 5/4/2005 7:41 PM
> To: Barber, Thomas
> Subject: Re: ME272 Senior Design
>
>
>
> I'm taking ME 217 next semester in order to take care of the shop
> qualifications. It still counts if I take it concurrently, right?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barber, Thomas"
> Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2005 12:13 pm
> Subject: ME272 Senior Design
>
> > Class
> >
> > You have all signed up for the Fall 2005 semester of the ME senior
> > design program. A requirement for this class is to get yourself
> > shop trained and go through the shop safety course. If not, you
> > will not be allowed access to the shops in Engineering II and
> > Castelman.
> > The shop training class runs about 40 hours. We will be running
> > shop training sessions starting Friday May 13th through May
> 16th.
> > This class will be repeated during the week before classes
> start.
> > The class size at each session is limited to only 14 students at a
> > time.
> > Please email me if you can take the May session as soon as possible.
> >
> > Please email me if you can take the late August session.
> >
> > Professor Barber