"If someone you don't know gives you flowers....

[Zephyr of Darkness]

...it's sure to be Impulse".
This was the motto of a famous perfume/deodorant for a couple decades. Every Impulse ad showed the same image in a different stage: a guy that sees a girl passing by, and desperately seeks for the nearest bunch of flowers and gives it to the girl. I remember one where the girl was a vixenish one in a party and the guy took flowers from a flower pot, and another where a girl was passing in the street and the guy ripped the flowers off a garden. The Impulse campaign lasted for several years and ended up around 1990 (though the perfumes were still selling).
So many years later, Impulse has released a new campaign, but now it has a more according to the times, cynical attitude.

Ad 1: A girl is at an airport with a distracted, rather sad expression. A guy is running around desperately, and goes to the speaking center. So out loud, in the speakers, he says "Laura!!!". The girl listens up and goes to the speaking center, while he says "Laura, I have thought about it, and I do have an answer! My answer is..." She arrives at his side, but he can't see her. "...that I need a bit more time...that I have to think about it...." The girl goes away unseen by him.

Ad 2: A girl is working as a waitress at a bar at the side of the road. A guy arrives at the bar and she watches him come by. She goes meet him at the door. He smiles "I came to tell you....Ours wasn't a one night thing" She beams. "It's worth one or two more" He hugs her. She doesn't hug him back.

Ad 3: I didn't see this one, my mother told me. A guy gives a girl a small box. She opens it and finds a key inside. She looks puzzled at him. "That is for when you come home, so I don't have to go down to open the door for you".

In the first two, all the people in the background are totally indiffent. All three end up with the message "These are bad times for romanticism. We came back to change them. Impulse".

A sign of the times? I think it's pretty accurate. For some reason, though now we women resemble more an intrepide and beautiful Feena than a lazy and vain Miss Sherry (though I can point out some Miss Sherry around), we have become more capable, independent and attractive, guys behave like this. I was telling someone the other day that if the typical videogame scene of guy rescuing girl was to happen in real life, the girl would probably have to rescue herself, or end up rescuing the guy. Though this person's argument was that some women wouldn't need to be rescued, that's just an excuse, because even Yusuke had to be rescued once.
So now is your turn for defense, guys. Why have you turned so different from your more romantic ancestors? What on earth happened to you?

[Wisemon]

Hey, I'm romantic. Really, I am... or at least I was. I had all of these childhood notions of rescuing my future wife from some evil villain, but that's just not how it works in the modern world. My biggest problem is that my ideal, as I want her, is nonexistant. Girls just grow up too fast these days. I think most guys just try to keep up. I know I'm pretty far behind.

[UnknownH]

Uh... Are you asking why guys aren't romantic like in old tv?
I think it involve the metrosexual-ness of some guys and media.
But some guys can be romantic. They just need a reason.

[MISTER BIG T]

For some reason, though now we women resemble more an intrepide and beautiful Feena than a lazy and vain Miss Sherry (though I can point out some Miss Sherry around), we have become more capable, independent and attractive, guys behave like this.

By saying this, not only do you claim all guys to be unable to be what fits into your image of "romantic" albeit that's also up to people's personal tastes and opinnions. One may think that candle light dinner is romantic while one may think getting drunk and watching horror movies is. Also, you're claiming women of today are somehow all "better than before" as if there would be an universal rule of what sort of way a woman should be. (And if there is, there shouldn't be)



Yay!



Ack!

Though this person's argument was that some women wouldn't need to be rescued, that's just an excuse, because even Yusuke had to be rescued once.

I am sorry to break your buble but evil world destroying powers aren't as common place as they were.

So now is your turn for defense, guys. Why have you turned so different from your more romantic ancestors? What on earth happened to you?

In retrospect, I think guys haven't changed all that much actually. I know many emotional people and many jerks, just like during our parents and their parents times.

[Harie Krauzer]

My opinion... a bit hard to tell if it is fact or just opinion.

Who knows really. I can only talk about what I've seen, and come up with whatever conclusions to the best of my ability. One could say there is a sort of degradation of society. There is a change in society where women have changed their roles and now men figure they can do what they want. If women don't want to be treated like women, don't treat them like women.

Well, actually, the goal, I think, has been more along the lines were a certain amount of women want to have the same status as men. The problem here is that men can't tell who is who or what they are supposed to do now. Sexual harrassment has certainly not helped, though it is hardly a problem.

One could also suggest that there never really has been a true degration of such things. (It's hard to look at things objectively.) It is has just been people's "flavor" that changes. They are more interested in a more "realistic" view of the world instead of trying to reach for a "Fairy tale" (video games as well) type world. While I'm not saying such things never happen, don't expect it to be the status quo.

Still, no matter how you look at it, I'm sure there are plenty or reasons why. What to do in the end? I don't know, but hey I find it to be an interesting rant. I'm not really one way or the other on this, but that, in and of itself, carries it's own problems.

[Zephyr of Darkness]

I recently saw a fourth one. This one could have been easily acted by Unknown and I when we were dating.
BTW, "Te amo" means "I love you" in Spanish.

The camera takes lots of country landscapes. And in the sky, a little plane of the kind that writes in the skies has written "LAURA TE A". Then, a beaming girl is watching it with her father. The little flirtatious plane goes around and around, but the girl's smile fades. Then the camera turns to the finished message "LAURA TE APRECIO" ("Laura, I appreciate you").

One may think that candle light dinner is romantic while one may think getting drunk and watching horror movies is.

I don't know how things work in Finland, but in Argentina we have a more unified way of naming what's romantic.

Also, you're claiming women of today are somehow all "better than before" as if there would be an universal rule of what sort of way a woman should be. (And if there is, there shouldn't be)

Since you didn't get what I mean, I'll explain. In Grandia, Feena is an intrepid adventurer, the best adventurer in her continent, and also the most popular girl in town, not only because of her great looks, but also because she's humble and helps people in need. Sherry is a vain rich girl that lives in a mansion in the same city as her, and envies all she does. She lets her hair grows like hers, she buys the same weapons she did, and even hired people to gather members for a fan club of her. As you can see, all she does is staying at her mansion and envying Feena. What I mean is that girl these days are more like Feena, do more things, and don't think they're lovely and people will love them just by being frail and act cute.
(Side note: PH sucks).

I am sorry to break your buble but evil world destroying powers aren't as common place as they were.

Lucky you. In Argentina being kidnapped is not exactly infrequent.

They are more interested in a more "realistic" view of the world instead of trying to reach for a "Fairy tale" (video games as well) type world.

Well, my grandparents did meet in a fairy tale-like way...And I agree, people don't care about a magical way of seeing their life, when it's far more relaxing.

*looks at Wise and then at T* Hmm.....I think I might have some theory......

[Wisemon]

*looks at Wise and then at T* Hmm.....I think I might have some theory......

I hope your theory involves contrasting us. No offense, Big T.

[MISTER BIG T]

I don't know how things work in Finland, but in Argentina we have a more unified way of naming what's romantic.

I don't know how things work in Argentina, but around here we have things called freedom of opinnion and expression of it. If someone would tell me how to be romantic and how my way of loving someone wouldn't reach their standards for whatever the hell reason, I'd probably punch their teeth in just out of principle alone. Every single person has right to have their own defination for romantic, even if you don't agree with their view. It's their business, their lives, and if you have problem with that, speak that up with your boyfriend. To generalize the entire current race of men based on your standards and how they're not met to please you, is not only offensive but also immoral and wrong.

Since you didn't get what I mean, I'll explain. In Grandia, Feena is an intrepid adventurer, the best adventurer in her continent, and also the most popular girl in town, not only because of her great looks, but also because she's humble and helps people in need. Sherry is a vain rich girl that lives in a mansion in the same city as her, and envies all she does. She lets her hair grows like hers, she buys the same weapons she did, and even hired people to gather members for a fan club of her. As you can see, all she does is staying at her mansion and envying Feena. What I mean is that girl these days are more like Feena, do more things, and don't think they're lovely and people will love them just by being frail and act cute.
(Side note: PH sucks).

This is fiction. It doesn't count on any basis with reality. Whatever you say about proof or such, it's still a fiction and is only intended for that. For example, I won't stand up and claim Evangelion to be great asset guide in dealing with mentally unstable people or how not to, even though that may be true.

Lucky you. In Argentina being kidnapped is not exactly infrequent.

I thought we were talking about evil world destroying kidnappings. If we're talking about real ones, then yeah you're right. I wouldn't go and risk the person's life by going and trying to capture a person capable of killing and torturing both me and my love to death for absolute no reason, especially since I don't have neither the equipement, the skills, nor the mental preparatiojn to deal with the situation. Life's not like rpg, a daring rescuer wouldn't save the day, he'd most likely just sink them both into deeper shit.

Well, my grandparents did meet in a fairy tale-like way...And I agree, people don't care about a magical way of seeing their life, when it's far more relaxing.

So did my grandparents. But for every fairy tale meeting there's also regular meeting. Old women I've talked and been with have talked to me how their man had drugged them, tied to bed and forcefully aborted their child. Things have always sucked, they do suck, and they always will suck. It's just up to us to see that things aren't a magical puffy cloud castle fortress and to realize that after each love story endings there's been two divorces.

*looks at Wise and then at T* Hmm.....I think I might have some theory......

Do tell me please. I love hearing theories, especially when based on things written on a forum meant for Digimon porn.

I hope your theory involves contrasting us. No offense, Big T.

Absolutely none taken, I'd not like to be referenced to you either. That doesn't mean I don't respect you or your opinnions, it just means I disagree with you.


Zephyr, smell some flowers and eat some candy. Look at rising sun and listen to birds sing, it'll calm you so you won't care of trivial things like these. However if you wish to still do so, we can continue this in let's take it outside section anyday.

[Zephyr of Darkness]

Hey, T...I never intended this to be a fight. I just tell what I think, you told what you do. It's not difficult to see our personalities are pretty much opposite (or just take a look at my Zurbar

[Wisemon]

Wise: has a high ideal, is looking for a perfect woman in his terms, thinks of himself as romantic.

Wise's way is, let's say, quaint, pretty much like in old times where guys used to do all kind of things to seduce women, because their relationship may, hopefully, be consumated in the night of their wedding.

Yep, that pretty much covers it. I remember for the few months I thought I had a girlfriend, I took the day off on Valentine's Day. I risked my dining hall privileges to bring her cups of soft serve and toppings at noon. We ate in the hallway. When I attempted to kiss her, she pushed me away, but I thought that was just a temporary thing.

Exactly one month later, just over three years ago, I figured it out. I think that was the moment when I became less naive about the whole love thing, but I still try to hold out hope. I still don't want to throw myself at just anyone.