PC crybabies

[cboy]

With Christmas near, I'm seeing news stories about certain things being either banned or discouraged because people might be "offended" and it just annoys me at how whiny some people are.

I caught this one story about a bus driver who almost lost his job for wearing a Santa hat because the parents of a student who didn't believe in Santa complained. Come on, people; this is ridiculous. My belief in Santa has waivered over the years, yet I don't move to keep those who still do from expressing it.

Here's another story from Canada about a Christmas tree ordered removed by a judge because it's not an appropriate symbol for non-Christians: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061214/xmas_tree_removed_061214/20061214?hub=Canada&s_name=

These are only the tip of the iceberg; Christmas carols have been banned in several schools in New York, a school in Washington State has banned the play "A Christmas Carol", a parade in Denver refused to allow a Churh to have a float in it (though it allowed an Indian homosexual support group to participate) and even the Nativity Scene is being suppressed (though the Islamic symbol of a menorah and star and crescent is allowed) .

Is this what the world's coming to; a place where one person's disbelief in Santa Claus can cost someone his job? Where Christmas symbols that have been around for years can be suppressed so that people who practice other religions don't get upset (What makes other religions so special anyway?)? Where does it say that people have the right to ban things they find offensive? Where does it say we have to take away the rights of hundreds just to satisfy one person or one group of people?

This stuff is utterly ridiculous. These people who are throwing a fit over things they don't like and trying to ban them need to grow up.

[Marine]

What makes other religions so special anyway?

Wow. I've heard alot of guff from conservatives. But Wow. I'm offended just by that remark.

Maybe when you get over the Evangelical ignorance you'll understand one day.

This stuff is utterly ridiculous. These people who are throwing a fit over things they don't like and trying to ban them need to grow up.

I know, Christians tend to do that with change. They whine and scream and thrash because not everyone cares about Jesus's birthday, which is the reason why other religions are getting upset, not just because of Santa.

Yep, this is the time for Christians to whine. I whole-heartedly agree.

[Wisemon]

Thanks Marine, that'll do for my post too. I was just going to say something lame about the separation of church and state, which cboy would've probably countered with, "But it says 'In God we trust' on all the money."

[That One Internet Guy]

90% of the country can't put up decorations because the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Maoists, Taoists, and Atheists don't like them.


HELLO, MY NAME IS FREEDOM OF RELIGION. EXCUSE ME WHILE I GREASE MY ASSHOLE.

[cboy]

Thanks Marine, that'll do for my post too. I was just going to say something lame about the separation of church and state

So I suppose we should ban Christians from having jobs because they may offend non-Christian workers, or maybe ban them from speaking their mind because they may offend members of other religions with their words. Heck, why not just kill them all because they may offend atheists by breathing the same air. Does "separation of church and state" allow that (doesn't, but since when has that stopped the PC crowd from twisting the words of the Constitution)?

Wow. I've heard alot of guff from conservatives. But Wow. I'm offended just by that remark.

Ah yes, silly me for forgetting; simple minds require explicit details. What makes other religions so special that Christians, who have just as much of a right to free speech and free expression as anyone else, must be silenced for other religions' comfort? What makes them so special that their freedom of expression comes at the expense of Christians' freedom of experssion?

which cboy would've probably countered with, "But it says 'In God we trust' on all the money."

Actually, I'll counter it with this: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion: or of prohibiting the free exercise thereof." It's the First Amendment.

The term "separation of Church and State" is nowhere in the Founding Father's discussion of the First Amendment (see the Congressional Records from June 7 to September 25, 1789). The term originated from two different sources: the Danbury Letter, a private letter (written eleven years after the ratification of the First Amendment) in which Thomas Jefferson used the term "A wall of separation between church and state" to assure the Danbury Baptists that the federal government would not esablish a federally recognized "state" religion, and the case of Everson v. Board of Education, where the term was cited from the Danbury Letter rather than the actual text of the First Amendment (which, for anyone with eyes, clearly forbids the government and the courts from suppressing the expression of religion.)

And finally, what exactly does a Santa hat have to do with Jesus Christ? Santa is in no way connected with religion.

[rorancrystalwolf]

Thats why I hate a lot of things today, buildings in Milwaukee are being forced to take down statements because they refer to " god" and even churches are not allowed to have phrases of the bible in their signs.


Kind of retarded isn't it? It is true that we need to adapt to certain societies but in a lot of cases, if it is one person who is offended, well to hell with them, they can avoid the offensive things just as well as everyone else.

It's Humanly impossible to be politically correct, deal with it, live with it.

[cboy]

Kind of retarded isn't it? It is true that we need to adapt to certain societies but in a lot of cases, if it is one person who is offended, well to hell with them, they can avoid the offensive things just as well as everyone else.

That's the way I feel about it. It's also kind of contradictory: if we ban something because it offends one person, what about the other people who are offended by the banning of said something? Do they not count too? And I don't think adapting to certain societies means banning what those certain societies find offensive.

[Renamon_S3]

Marine, Wise, wow.

Do you not see Cboy's point?

I'm not a Christian, I have no religion. I don't think God exists.
But I see Cboy's point, and completely agree with him.
I see that crap going on all the time.

Just because you aren't a Christian doesn't make it ok to trounce on their rights. I just went to a light show at a zoo near me. (considered one of the top ten in the country)

There was a minora, and that cresant thing in lights in more than one place. There wasn't a single cross in any of the decorations. Not one single reference to anything that has to do with Christ, other than the word: Christmas.
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Come to think of it, I didn't see Christmas either. I saw "Happy Holidays".

Try as you might, you can never present that as fair, especially when you consider that the majority of people in this country are Christians.

I'm not offended when someone says Merry Christmas to me, in fact, I usually say it first.

[senjuro]

though the Islamic symbol of a menorah and star and crescent is allowed

I'm pretty sure the menorah is a Jewish symbol.

Okay, get ready for it...are you ready?

I don't think you're ready. Sit down.

I AGREE WITH YOU, CBOY!

story from Canada about a Christmas tree ordered removed by a judge because it's not an appropriate symbol for non-Christians:

I find this really hilarious because the use of the Christmas tree was taken from pagan religions so that missionaries could establish lines of similarity between Christianity and earth-based religions, swelling their ranks. Pfff, not appropriate for non-Christians my ass. It was non-Christians who started using it.

I'd say we're not far off when public use of the term "Merry Christmas" is banned entirely and it becomes something like "Jolly Winter Yule" or "Satisfying Solstice"

There's so much room in the world for a multitude of religions. Just because they don't all sync up on holidays doesn't mean that they have to get stepped on all the time. It's Christmas time for me. If it's not, then go to the movies on Christmas day and have pizza instead of turkey. You do the things you wat to on your holidays, and I'll do the same for mine.

Granted, the public arena and churches of any denomination should stay separate, but what is there that's bad about Christmas that should be repressed (aside from the regrettably rampant commercialism)? The idea of giving and sharing and spending time with friends and family?

This stuff is utterly ridiculous. These people who are throwing a fit over things they don't like and trying to ban them need to grow up.

Amen. I'm perfectly tolerant of other religions. If they want to be public about their important holidays, I support them. I won't participate, but I certainly wouldn't bitch and moan about it like everyone does about Christmas.

In fact, if anyone has the right to be mad about Christmas, it's us Christians for its gross secularization. Everyone just needs a big hug and a tall glass of "chill the fuck out about religion".

[rorancrystalwolf]

Ok , Senjuro and Cboy agree on something..... when is the apocolypse? I want to get laid before the world ends.


:-p