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I'm the one with the assertions? What od they say abotu throwing stones in glass houses?

Quote:So in your opinion, $7.00 an hour is a living wage? Cause that's what the full-time, 40 hour week Wal-Mart workers around here get I believe.

40 hours a week is pretty short. Not to mention that $7.00 would be a living wage because of deflation (and decrease unemployment)

Quote:Yes, outsourcing is bad. It takes away American jobs, and American jobs let people here live their lives. The economy is a means to people living comfortably, not an end unto itself. That's why only idiots like George W. Bush think that we should cater to businesses, which themselves are conglomerates of people spoken for by the richest and greediest. I never said we should "protect American firms that make crappy products", I said that by equalizing prices we give them an equal footing. When there's no difference in price due to outsourcing (and often inhumane labor practices in foreign countries like China allow for this difference) people will buy products based on what they want in the product, thus making competition work the way it's supposed to.

But it allows for service jobs. Not to mention that jobs are outsourced here too. And outsourcing wouldn't happen if it was't for business legislation. If it wasn't for business legislation, communications, shipping ete. would make it unprofitable to outsource.

And competition should also be about cost, not just qualities of the product itself.

Quote:So business legislation is forcing them to go mistreat Chinese workers because they can't mistreat the workers here to the extent that they'd like? Yes, why not prohibit unions (which we have already done somewhat, union busting is very easy nowadays), and allow managers and supervisors to whip their workers!? See above about outsourcing, and shut up with the unfounded assertions.

Worker abuse has no place in business practices, nor does coercion of any kind.

Also, because of outsourcing, those people in China can get jobs, and their economy can grow, and they can eat, send their children to school ete. Don't tell me it hasn't done anything positive.

And you seem to be full of unfounded assertion about economics.

Quote:Eliminate the business legislation and the workers will be in chains (literally) tomorrow. The small business won't even really exist because large corporations will gobble them up as soon as they become profitable.

You know where is a limit to how much a company can expand before infastructure becomes too much, right? The small business will thrive because they are the ones with the smaller budget for things like minimum wage, for health codes ete.

Quote:Yes, monopolies ARE evil. If you can say "monopoly", then say "Microsoft" and you don't get a since of the latter being evil because it's an instance of the former, you are clinically Republican.

I'm no Neo-Conservative. I hate Neo-Conservativism. I am more in league with Neo-Liberalism, if anything. (by the way, protectionism is a general platoform of the Republican party)

What? Microsoft is no monoploy. What about competition from Apple and the upcoming Linux? And Microsoft simply makes better operating systems for what the customers need. They make the best product. They win.

I love how you ignore my Standard Oil example. I'm sure you've heard of it? How about Philidelphia Steel, whose monopoly also made steel much cheaper?

Quote:BULLSHIT. Prove these somehow, if you even can.

Well, for the first one, as disposable income increases, the want to buy things increases. This creates stores, restaurants ete.

As for the second one, it's simple. Decrease cost, and businesses will be able to reinvest more profit into their businesses.
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