A Loss For Bush

[urban dream]

Dude, Tank was talking about people who become terrorists, and I think you know that. Don't throw the "Racism" label around willy nilly like that.

I don't like throwing labels around willy nilly either, but "their little shit hole of a nation" did sound pretty racist to me. Plus, there's this: "And now I am supost to feel bad about they hardship in a jail thats not even in US boraders?" Tank Cop obviously assumes that only people with a US passport are worthy of his sympathy and concern.

Tough I don't beleive for a second Bush went into Iraq for altruistic reasons, I still find the terrorst response disgusting, particularily since they're now turning on the natives of the land who are just trying to get thier lives back in order.

ush had a loss from the beginning. Giving Iraq its power back? Oh boy thats gonna last a "long" time... Prisoners held hostage still. Makes no sense at all. Can't change some things I guess. Americas always got to be screwing with someone. Or atleast it seems that way. :?

For some reason, everybody seems to be talking about Iraq now. I'm not exactly sure why. This is about the detainees at Guantanamo, right? Well, most of them are there, AFAIK, for being involved with that lil' place called Afghanistan -- y'know, the *other* one with bearded men and shrouded women. Iraqi detainees are, to my knowledge, mostly being kept in -- Iraq.

We are trying to bring peace to these people and a better way of life with freedoms!

Before they had no freedoms and now that we try to help them all they can do is want to kill us!

Tell me how much scene that makes?

It's you that's not making any "scene". I'm not even sure which "nastion" you're on about, Afghanistan or Iraq, but in neither case was the reason for attacking them "to bring them peace and a better way of life with freedoms". Afghanistan was attacked to catch Bin Laden, and the official reason to attack Iraq was to get rid of their weapons of mass destruction. Peace and a "better" way of life doesn't enter in to it. The thought that our way of life is best and all the others are inferior is pretty arrogant, too.
...oh, and it's "nation", not "nastion". Usually I'd put something like this off as a typo, but you've made this mistake every time you've used the word -- three times in two different posts.

They're may be innocents, but if they are innocents, then they should have nothing to worry about.

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If the one's in there haven't done anything wrong, then they will be weeded out and released back into society. It's as easy as that.

...soooooo basically what you're saying is that the time in between their arrest and their release doesn't matter much, as long as they do get released. Well by that logic, all the jews that survived the concentration camps and were freed at the end of WW2 should've stopped their whining ages ago. After all, they were alive and released back into society. Who cares about the time before they were released, right? :?

So tell me...how is what we're doing wrong? Yes, we may be holding them against their will, but it is a neccessary procedure.

You fail to see the actual problem. It's not holding them that's the big issue here. If you're at war, you're gonna have prisoners of war -- it's fucked up, but I can accept that. BUT! These people are not only held, THEY'RE BEING DENIED ALL THE RIGHTS GRANTED TO THEM BY THE CONSTITUTION AND THE GENEVA CONVENTION!

Some time ago, some people came together and said "Okay guys, let's forget about all this hitting each other over the head with clubs, we'll be civilised from now on. Let's write some laws that will grant everybody some justice, some equality, some common decency. Let's be civilised and make the world less fucked up." So, they wrote some documents to keep people from being too unjust to each other. And in most cases, this worked fine.

But what we have here is Bush coming along and saying: "Ah, fuck them common decencies and stuff, y'all. We'll just a-lock them sand niggers up and do whatever we like. Never mind that we're complainin' the hell out of them Iraqers for violating the Geneva constitution while a-doin' it ourselves as much as we like. 'cause, after all, we're better than everybody else and we can do whatever we want. Yee-haw!"

THAT is the problem. Bush violating and thus putting down these basic laws of civilisation. It's not just infuriatingly hipocritical (sp?), it's also dangerous because it re-establishes the old Machiavellian idea that human decency doesn't matter on the playing field of international politics, but that you can do whatever you want to the guy next to you -- as long as you're stronger than him. *That's* what's so incredibly fucked up here.